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Ahooj!!! | Cytat: | | ktoś krzyknął "ZU/DU" potem "Orzysz" i już wrzask się podnosi - często niezdrowy. może najpierw sprawdzić - dowiedzieć sie i udowodnic - a nie od razu psy na wszystkich wieszać i amerykańskimi eksperymentami rzucać... |
Popieram mihaugal to jest tak jakby szukał igły w stogu siana.
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| mihaugal napisał: | | z informacji jakie wygrzebałem (chciałem je wrzucic na forum - po uprzednim uporządkowaniu i skonkretyzowaniu - nie "na pałe"... ale chyba teraz będzie się to z celem mijało...) |
A co się zmieniło? Czy juz wszystko wiemy? Zobowiązałeś się do przedstawienia tutaj materiałów! OK. Przyjmyję, ze wycofałeś się.
Piszesz: "może najpierw sprawdzić - dowiedzieć sie i udowodnic", a jednocześnie krytykujesz zainteresowanie ta sprawą: "już wrzask się podnosi - często niezdrowy".
Zdrowa jest obojętność? A więc - niech pozostaną zdrowi, którzy tak uważają.!
Ja swoje zrobiłem na tym forum. Podjęłem próbę zainteresowania sprawą, co do ktorej powinni zająć stanowisko mieszkańcy.
W ankiecie wzięło udział 5 osób. Przyjmuję, ze reszcie sprawa była obojetna.
Wynik: drążymy dalej 2 osoby, odpuszczamy sobie 5. Ja nie brałem udziału w ankiecie.
Jako autor tego wątku, przyjmuję, ze jest on zamknięty.
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| ogrod napisał: | | A co się zmieniło? Czy juz wszystko wiemy? Zobowiązałeś się do przedstawienia tutaj materiałów! OK. Przyjmyję, ze wycofałeś się. |
Nie, nie wycofałem się - nie wiem tylko, czy jest sens robić podręcznik DU na forum - ale ponieważ "się zobowiązałem" postaram się przysiąśc do tego i wrzucic podstawowe informacje.
| ogrod napisał: | Piszesz: "może najpierw sprawdzić - dowiedzieć sie i udowodnic", a jednocześnie krytykujesz zainteresowanie ta sprawą: "już wrzask się podnosi - często niezdrowy".
Zdrowa jest obojętność? A więc - niech pozostaną zdrowi, którzy tak uważają.! |
proszę o czytanie ze zrozumieniem - nie będzie wtedy nieporozumień. kiedy pisze o wrzaskach - mam na mysli nagonke jaka od razu powstaje. uważam bulwersację uzasadnioną wtedy, gdy rzeczywiście coś wiemy - a nie jedynie podejrzewamy.
napisałem, że zdrowa jest obojętność? nie! więc proszę nie wkładać takich słów w moje usta - bo ktos nastepny bez zrozumienia przeczyta Twój post i nawrzuca mi od zobojętniałych znieczuleńców...
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nawet jeśli na orzyskim poligonie była stosowana amunicja DU - nie były to ilości, jakie pojawiały się w iraku, czy kosowie - tam obliczono sam pył pouderzeniowy na kilka - kilkanaście ton...
"obliczono"? buahaha!
ciekawe kto obliczył? podaj źródło. Zaraz obalę te twoje niewiadomego pochodzenia "obliczenia"
z informacji jakie wygrzebałem (chciałem je wrzucic na forum - po uprzednim uporządkowaniu i skonkretyzowaniu - nie "na pałe"... ale chyba teraz będzie się to z celem mijało..."
eee... przepraszam, z jakim celem? nielogiczne te twoje wywody.
No dawaj, te twoje znaleziska. Tyle gadasz, a potem ogon podkulasz.
) pył po amunicji DU jest bardziej toksyczny niż promieniotwórczy
buahaha.
i pomimo wielu starań
a kto to się tak starał? ci ktorzy chca uciąc sprawie łeb zapewne.
nie udowodniono w wystarczającym stopniu jego wpływu na mutacje i zachorowania na nowotwory. liczba zachorowan mieściła sie w średniej -
bzdura!!!!!!!! twoje źródła kłamią!!!!!!!!
na całym świecie rodzą się zdeformowane dzieci - tylko jakoś nie krzyczy się głośno o wpływie modyfikowanej żywności, dodatków spozywczych, radonu, coraz bardziej zabójczego słońca (ubytki warstwy ozonu), czy tak "prozaicznych" rzeczach jak WZW, grypa i wile wiele innych rzeczy, które dzisiątkują ludzkość każdego dnia.
nie ma żadnych dowodów, że na naszym poligonie stosowano taką amunicję...
to tego koment niżej.
ktoś krzyknął "ZU/DU" potem "Orzysz" i już wrzask się podnosi - często niezdrowy. może najpierw sprawdzić - dowiedzieć sie i udowodnic - a nie od razu psy na wszystkich wieszać i amerykańskimi eksperymentami rzucać... |
no właśnie, moze najpierw sprawdź sam, jak takiś mądry.
Ja mam za sobą lekturę wieku TOMÓW z różnych źródeł na ten temat, więc wybacz, ale twoich tutaj tez nie uznam za żadne dowody, ktorych ty sie domagasz.
To, że wygrzebałeś parę specjalnie dla takich jak ty ułożonych zdanek, nie oznacza, że pozjadałeś wszystkie rozumy.
To co piszesz to potworne bzdury. Pogadamy jak zrobisz mi streszczenie jakiejkoliwek pozycji napisanej w jężyku angielskim.
Te twoje polskie stronki nadają się do podtarcia tyłka.
Nic nie wiesz i wprowadzasz w błąd.
że jedzenie, grypa?! Bzdet za bzdetem.
A to, że PRÓB JĄDROWYCH DOKONUJE SIE NA SWIECIE OD DZIESIATKOW LAT, TO WG CIEBIE NIE MA NIC WSPOLNEGO Z ZACHOROWALNOSCIA NA RAKA ???
Tyle lat, tyle atoli w pył, tyle narodow etnicznych tych wysp zdziesiatkowanych, a rowniez zolnierzy amerykanskich, na ktorych robiono doswiadczenia, to wg ciebie sie nie liczy????
Czy wiesz ze, na Irak zrzucono tyle du co na Hiroszime równowagę 460 tysiecy BOMB????
Wiem, że nie wiesz.
TO SA FAKTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO ZE NIE ZNASZ JĘZYKÓW NIE USPRAWIEDLIWIA TWOJEJ NIEWIEDZY!!!!!!!
ZUBOZONY URAN ZABIJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZABIJA NA ŚMIERĆ TĘ NASZĄ UKOCHANĄ PLANETĘ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ale widać jest ona ukochana tylko przeze mnie, a wy będziecie sie musieli jak niewierne Tomasze na wlasnej skorze przekonac!
Zal mi was, bo nie wiecie o czym mówicie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| Cytat: | LIKE I SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE DEPLETED URANIUM WILL KILL YOU, AS SOON AS YOU STEP ON THAT GROUND IN THE MIDDLE EAST YOUR A DEAD MAN, BE IT A SOLDIER, OR CIVILIAN, DEAD DEAD.......THE WALKING DEAD OF AMERICA....SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE SO HUNGRY TO GO OVER THERE, BE MY GUEST, IF YOU SURVIVE THE BULLETS, YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE THE DUST.....THE PENTAGON AND THE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATION KNOW ABOUT THIS............DEPLETED URANIUM WEAPONS ARE A KILLER, FOR ALL, EVERYONE, EVERYTHING THAT IS LIVING........THESE COUNTRIES WILL BE NOTHING BUT A CONTAMANATED DESERT.........NOT TO MENTION THEIR NEIGBOURS....WITH THE CONTAMANATED DUST FLYING EVERYWHERE.................ALL DEAD
The American Activist: An interview with Amy Worthington
From the April 2005 Idaho Observer
On Thursday, April 7, 2005, Ingri Cassel interviewed
independent researcher/writer Amy Worthington on
The American Activist. Worthington’s articles on chemtrails,
vaccines, cell phones and depleted uranium munitions first
appear in The IO and then go all over the world. Her writing
style, a blend of impeccably researched facts, horror, sarcasm
and compassion, delivers messages in such a way that impressions
are etched into people’s minds. The following interview is a discussion
of what Worthington believes is the most horrible legacy our
generation will be leaving for the next generations: A DU-contaminated world.
Ingri: HI, AMY, WELCOME TO THE SHOW AND THANK YOU
FOR BEING HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE U.S. LEGACY OF
DEPLETED URANIUM MUNITIONS.
Amy: It’s really RADIOACTIVE WAR, Ingri. It’s one of the most
important topics of our day. Radioactive war has been raging since
Bush-Cheney started bombing Afghanistan in 2001—and yet
most Americans still don’t understand that in THEIR names—and with
THEIR money—this administration, the U.S. Congress and the
Pentagon have committed nuclear war against both Iraq and
Afghanistan, two non-nuclear countries whose citizens had
nothing whatsoever to do with 9/1l.
Ingri: IF YOU TELL PEOPLE THAT THE U.S. AND THEIR BRITISH PARTNERS ARE USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, MOST ARE SHOCKED BECAUSE THE NIGHTLY NEWS HAS AVOIDED ALL MENTION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONRY.
Amy: That’s right. But tens of thousands of civilians and non-combatants in Afghanistan and Iraq have been killed with these horrendous, radioactive weapons. The U.S. military is using two kinds of uranium weapons— non-depleted and depleted — against these poor people and in the process we are nuking our own troops.
Ingri: WHY DO YOU CALL THESE WEAPONS NUCLEAR WEAPONS?
Amy: Experts says that any weapon which incorporates radioactive material can be considered a nuclear weapon under international law. Uranium weapons we are using in the Middle East are nuclear weapons because:
*they result in the same kinds of injury and death as the old type nuclear bombs that Truman dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII.
*Both kinds of weapons release deadly alpha, beta and gamma radiation.
· Both the old and the new uranium weapons derive energy from the nucleus of the atom, thus the term "nuke."
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Ingri: SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. IS DOING TO IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WHAT WE DID TO JAPAN IN WWII?
Amy: Yes, but in a cleverly subtle way. You see the old primitive nuclear and hydrogen bombs burn people from the OUTSIDE IN with gamma radiation—and then later with internal exposure from fallout. People hit by those weapons died in large numbers very quickly. Our modern uranium weapons are killing people slowly—from the INSIDE OUT when victims breathe and ingest the toxic radioactive gas and particles released as uranium weapons burn on impact. The deadly results are less conspicuous to public opinion. The further advantage of our new uranium weapons is that our troops can be used longer before they die—and make no mistake about it, the Pentagon Brass and the White House know very well that uranium weapons are killing our troops—but slowly.
Ingri: AND WHAT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT?
Amy: Sure, chunks of radioactive weaponry and equipment now litter both Afghanistan and Iraq. Contaminated tanks, unspent bullets and shells are lying in the sand leaching radioactivity into the water, the food, contaminating animals, insects even microbes, and making the playgrounds of children absolute death zones. Riding in with weapons grade uranium is also radioactive tritium and with plutonium, one of the most deadly toxins on the planet. And remember, the U.S. government has said that it has no plans to clean up these radioactive war zones.
Ingri: CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS WE ARE USING?
Amy: The Pentagon’s non-depleted uranium weapons include a new experimental class of bunker busting bombs and missiles.
Depleted uranium weapons—which are just as deadly as non-depleted—include:
*naval missiles and machine gun ammo
*A-10 warplane bullets
*army tank rounds
*ammo for cannons mounted on the M2 Bradley
*helicopter gun ships
*ammunition for the AV-8B Harrier used by Marines
Ingri: DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH OF THIS NUCLEAR WEAPONRY HAS BEEN USED SINCE THE WAR ON TERROR BEGAN?
Amy: Experts estimate is that at least 1,000 TONS of uranium weaponry has been used against Afghanistan. Researchers who recently took urine samples from sick people across Afghanistan found that they suffer the highest reading of non-depleted weapons-grade uranium ever measured in the bodies of a civilian population. The precious underground water of Afghanistan is now radioactive. These contaminated people are dying painfully of radiation side-effects—raging cancers, leukemias and many children there are being born with hideous birth defects.
Ingri: BUT ON THE POSITIVE SIDE FOR BUSH and CHENEY, THE AFGHAN OPIUM POPPY FIELDS ARE PRODUCING BUMPER CROPS NOW THAT AFGHANISTAN HAS AN PUPPET GOVERNMENT INSTALLED BY THE U.S. MILITARY.
Amy: That’s right. Afghanistan under the U.S. puppet government is a premier narco state according to the United Nations. Bush-Cheney are now in control of 87 percent of the world’s illegal production of opium. Just about every educated person knows that US. military and intelligence agencies have used the international narcotics trade to fund their black budgets for decades. When the Taliban so rudely terminated the opium industry in the late 90s, Bush-Cheney had to demonize Afghanistan as an excuse to invade and re-establish their lucrative opium industry. Remember the Bush dynasty has ALSO been involved with the international cocaine industry since Bush Sr. ran the Iran-Contra project during the Reagan era.
Ingri: WHAT ABOUT THE RADIOACTIVE WAR IN IRAQ?
Amy: Iraq is a horrible killing field. During Gulf War I in 1991, the U.S. military used 350 tons of uranium weaponry in Iraq. This explains why 325,000 Gulf War I vets are now on permanent medical disability. Then, in 2003 when the U.S. invaded Iraq again, both the Pentagon and the United Nations admitted that coalition forces used another 2,200 tons in March and April of that year alone. So, at that point, Iraq—only 2/3 the size of Texas—was drenched in 2,500 tons of radioactive waste. According to calculations by the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority, that’s enough radiation to generate 22 million new cancers—or a case of cancer for about every citizen in Iraq. But the war and occupation have been roaring on for an additional two years and no one has yet calculated how many additional tons have been used against the insurgency and the civilian population since the invasion.
Ingri: SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE LARGE BATTLES WE’VE HEARD ABOUT IN IRAQ LIKE FALLUJAH WERE CONDUCTED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONRY?
Amy: Yes indeed. The struggle for Fallujah began in the spring of last year and the final campaign—called Phantom Fury—was concluded by 10,000 marines last December. U.S. war planes and tanks spewed uranium weapons into that city for months. Fallujah, once a city of 350,000 people, is now just a pile of radioactive rubble. Thousands of its citizens are dead and the rest are living in destitute makeshift camps in the desert and reporting horrible illnesses. But it was not just nukes that Americans used against civilians of that city. Last month the Iraqi health ministry told international media that the Americans had used cluster bombs and hideous chemical weapons that burned people alive. These chemical weapons apparently included white phosphorous shells, propane bombs and napalm. Doctors saw victims with hideously discolored skin and huge burn blisters. Phantom Fury was a flagrant violation of Geneva conventions. It was pure savage barbarism.
[Editor’s note: The Manhattan Project produced so much fluoride that a method of disposal had to be invented: Dental fluoride and fluoridated water was the answer. Now, the Manhattan Project legacy, a system of nuclear reactors all over the country, is producing so much DU, a method of disposal had to be invented. DWH]
Ingri: SO WHY DO THE PEOPLE OF NUCLEAR WAR ZONES NEED RIGGED ELECTIONS AND A FAKE DEMOCRACY IF THEY ARE NOT LONG FOR THIS WORLD?
Amy: Good point! The stacks of science data produced by the U.S. government for the last 60 years convinces us that all human beings—and sadly all animals—still breathing in Iraq are the walking dead. Scientists from the Uranium Medical Research Center in Canada have produced scientific data confirming that the soil, the water and the people in Baghdad and Basra and in the farming areas are "hot" with radiation. The Iraqi people now suffer a rampant cancer epidemic and their genetic code is toast.
Ingri: SOUNDS LIKE GENOCIDE TO ME.
Amy: You hit it, Ingri. Bush-Cheney’s radioactive wars are among the most abhorrent genocide projects in human history. The Iraqis are sitting on the second largest oil deposits in the Middle East. These brave and independent people are an impediment to plunder— so we just get rid of them by slow burn.
Ingri: EXPLAIN THE HEALTH RAMIFICATIONS TO AMERICAN FORCES WHO HAVE BEEN WADING AROUND IN ALL THAT RADIOACTIVE MUCK SINCE 2001?
Amy: Every uranium weapon that hits its target releases both radiation and chemical poisons in the form of gas and tiny ceramic uranium oxide particles. The lunatics in Washington could not have picked a more lethal place to use uranium weapons than the dry dusty Arabian desert of the Middle East. Uranium particles spewed by burning weapons attach themselves electrostatically to the desert dust which coats and permeates everything in the environment. This dust is continually re-suspended by winds and traffic and it will never become less poisonous or less radioactive in the next four billion years. Our troops in Iraq have been breathing and eating millions of particles of this radioactive and chemically toxic dust—their lungs, kidneys, blood, lymph and other tissues have to be full of it. Scientist say one single particle can generate cell changes leading to cancer.
Ingri: BUT DEPENDING ON THE SOURCE AND AMOUNT OF RADIATION ENCOUNTERED, EVERY CONTAMINATED SOLDIER WILL DIE IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
Amy: Right! Some of our contaminated troops will die fast—smokers for example— but thousands of others will live with chronic illness for years. Contaminated troops now have internal organs being zapped with millions of alpha and beta particles and gamma rays from the uranium particles trapped in their tissues. The radioactive uranium isotopes in their bodies will grow more lethal as time goes on because these isotopes decay and their decay progeny— including thorium and protactinium—are increasingly destructive to human health the longer they remain in the body. Uranium weaponry is the ultimate horror weapon because it makes people increasingly sick and there is no cure for those contaminated.
Ingri: WHY CAN’T THE MILITARY SUPPLY PROTECTIVE GEAR TO U.S. TROOPS?
Amy: There is no suit or breathing apparatus that would protect U.S. troops against such fine radioactive dust. The military found in its own tests that trying to filter out such material is useless. It permeates and plugs the most advanced HEPA filters, making them useless. Putting troops in moon suits in hot dry climates in a battlefield environment would be ludicrous even if they were effective. Besides, our tank and transportation crews are exposed to huge doses of gamma rays from transporting and handling uranium weaponry. A tank crew inside of an Abrams tank gets the equivalent of one chest X-ray a day. Handling penetrators gives them 50 chest X-rays in one hour.
Ingri: ARE THERE ANY REPORTS YET OF RADIATION-SICK U.S. TROOPS?
Amy: Yes, the New York Daily News did a series late last year on Army National Guard soldiers coming back from Iraq suffering radiation poisoning. Those soldiers had to have their urine tested by private labs outside of the United States in order to confirm that they have uranium contamination. The Pentagon naturally refuses to use reliable, state-of-the-art testing equipment.
Ingri: BE MORE SPECIFIC ON THE SYMPTOMS THAT INDICATE URANIUM CONTAMINATION.
Amy: Well, uranium poisoning exhibits all the symptoms of Gulf War Syndrome suffered by several hundred thousand Gulf War I vets. Uranium particles lodge in the lungs, causing severe damage, asthma and/or reactive airway disease. Many soldiers who died from so-called atypical pneumonia in Iraq in the last two years displayed all of the symptoms of severe radiation poisoning to the lungs. By the way Ingri did you see that ABC’s Peter Jennings has just been diagnosed with lung cancer and he is very sick. He’s been to radioactive war zones to do news reports.
Ingri: YUP!
Amy: Internal uranium particles are especially hard on the kidneys, causing victims to excrete blood and often to become incontinent. Many of our macho troops will end up in diapers, a fact never mentioned in America’s military recruiting centers.
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"diaper" to pielucha. Dla tych co nie kumają: wielu twardzieli skończy w pieluchach. Na tyle lat na ile przeżyją. Czyli niedługo.
Uran "toksyczny". Weź nie rozśmieszaj mnie. Bo to tragiczny temat jest, nie śmieszny.
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America Killing Its Own Soldiers
Wednesday, 8 January 2003, 11:03 am
Column: John Kaminski
America Killing Its Own Soldiers - Depleted uranium making all wars nuclear
By John Kaminski
mailto:skylax@comcast.net
John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the coast of Florida.
Never in my wildest dreams did I think that the United States would be detonating nuclear shells to poison its own soldiers and the surrounding civilian populations with radioactive isotopes. — Dr. Helen Caldicott, Metal of Dishonor
No one with any brains should ever consider enlisting in the U.S. armed forces because the people in charge of America's defenses have clearly demonstrated they have absolutely no regard for the health and welfare of their troops. A study of the irresponsible and continuing use of depleted uranium ammunition proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
For the past decade, America's leaders have fought to prevent depleted uranium (DU) ammunition from being declared a weapon of mass destruction by the United Nations, despite knowing that exposure to this poisonous substance guarantees cancer, birth defects and a host of other lethal health hazards. Despite tens of thousands of Gulf War veterans in bad health that many have blamed on DU and many veterans of the conflict in Yugoslavia now urinating uranium, the politicians and generals have refused to ban this deadly substance because it is simply too effective a weapon. And they continue to deny appropriate health care to U.S. military veterans who have suffered because of it.
Now a new invasion is set to unfold in the one place in the world where depleted uranium contamination is worst — southern Iraq. American soldiers will be sent into battle with inadequate protections against a proven health hazard that will almost certainly doom them to lives diminished by a variety of cancers caused by uranium 238, which means they may transmit these illnesses to their family and friends — and birth defects to their children — when and if they return home.
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by Dr. Helen Caldicott
The New Press, New York, NY 2002
Reviewed by Bill Griffin.
DU (Depleted Uranium) was used for the first time in history by the US military in the Persian Gulf War against Iraq in 1991. It constitutes the first introduction of a nuclear weapon into the “conventional battlefield,” and is a technical breach of all the non-proliferation treaties that the US has signed. The Pentagon, of course, would dispute this characterization of these facts. In order to help us understand the enormous and long-lasting destructiveness to human health of DU and how this destructiveness is directly related to its low-level radioactivity (which qualifies it as nuclear weapon), Dr. Caldicott reviews its long, but hidden, history and development.
What is DU? It is a by-product of the manufacture of atom bombs. Naturally occurring uranium in the earth contains two radioactive isotopes mixed together, U-235 and U-238. U-235 is the more highly radioactive and was used, in its purified or “enriched” form, to make the first atom bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing hundreds of thousands of human beings in an instant and many thousands afterward through radiation sickness. Nuclear bombs were later made from plutonium and, again, U-238 was a by-product. When it is removed in bomb production or nuclear reactor fuel rod production, U-238 is described as “depleted” uranium or DU. Two chemical properties of low-level, radioactive DU have always fascinated weapon makers: it is nearly twice as dense as lead and it is pyrophoric, that is, it ignites and burns upon high speed impact. Enormous quantities of DU were created during the Cold War when the US made over 70,000 nuclear weapons. Weapon researchers and developers have now succeeded in putting this toxic “nuclear waste” to “use” through the creation of depleted uranium bullets and shells.
30-milimeter DU machine gun bullets and 120-milimeter DU tank shells and other ordinance have given the US crushing military superiority over all other armored tank forces in the world. At the same time, the US military has conducted numerous studies that establish that DU causes many deleterious health effects both on the human beings against whom it is used and those who use and are exposed to it. When ignited, seventy percent of DU shells are vaporized and aerosolized into tiny particles of oxidized U-238. Sixty percent of these particles are tiny–less than 5 microns in diameter–they are light and they can be transported by winds and breezes many miles. They are small enough to be inhaled and lodge in the tiniest passages of the lungs and can reside there for many years, irradiating a small area of surrounding tissue with cumulative high dose radiation, eventually causing lung cancers.
Iraqi and US Victims
DU is also soluble in water after it has been aerosolized, and the water supplies around battlefields, as in Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, are at risk of radioactive pollution. DU has a radioactive half-life of 4.5 billion years, and it can concentrate in the food chain thousands of times at each step. Children and babies are ten to twenty times more sensitive to the carcinogenic effects of ingested radiation than adults. Today, medical reports from Iraq indicate that childhood malignancies are seven times more than what they were before the war. Also, DU has been shown to concentrate itself in the testes, disrupting sperm production and causing chromosomal damage, leading to very serious birth defects.
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patrz na tytul tematu a nie piszesz jakies pierdoły znowu o Hiroszimie itd. w koncu normalne ze bomba atomowa=siła ilus tam mega-kilo ton trotylu= iles tam ładunków konwencjonalnych= kilkadziesziat tysiecy bomb.znów nijak ma sie to do orzysza i do poligonu.konkrety bo nudna juz jestes
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Amerykańska armia wie o zu. oTOcytaty i źródła.
| Cytat: | The US Army believes in it.
"Aerosol DU (Depleted Uranium) exposures to soldiers on the battlefield could be significant with potential radiological and toxicological effects. [...DU is..]... a low level alpha radiation emitter which is linked to cancer when exposures are internal, [and] chemical toxicity causing kidney damage. [...] Short term effects of high doses can result in death, while long term effects of low doses have been linked to cancer.
- Appenix D - US Army Armaments, Munitions and Chemical Command report: 'Kinetic Energy Penetrator Long Term Strategy Study, July 1990' [link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
America Killing Its Own Soldiers - Depleted uranium making all wars nuclear
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"When ignited, seventy percent of DU shells are vaporized and aerosolized into tiny particles of oxidized U-238. Sixty percent of these particles are tiny – less than 5 microns in diameter – they are light and they can be transported by winds and breezes many miles. They are small enough to be inhaled and lodge in the tiniest passages of the lungs and can reside there for many years, irradiating a small area of surrounding tissue with cumulative high dose radiation, eventually causing lung cancers.
DU is also soluble in water after it has been aerosolized, and the water supplies around battlefields, as in Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, are at risk of radioactive pollution. DU has a radioactive half-life of 4.5 billion years, and it can concentrate in the food chain thousands of times at each step. Children and babies are ten to twenty times more sensitive to the carcinogenic effects of ingested radiation than adults. Today, medical reports from Iraq indicate that childhood malignancies are seven times more than what they were before the war. Also, DU has been shown to concentrate itself in the testes, disrupting sperm production and causing chromosomal damage, leading to very serious birth defects.
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JUST A DAB WILL DU YOU
DU shells retain 60% of the radioactivity of unspent "hot" uranium. Radiobiologist Dr. Rosalie Bertell warns that "it can be breathed in by anyone: a baby, a pregnant woman, the elderly, the sick." A speck of Uranium-238 can cause cancer.
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2 of 5 Gulf War vets on disability
209,000 make VA claims,
161,000 getting payments
January 25, 2003
About 161,000 Gulf War veterans are receiving disability payments from the U.S. government. About 209,000 have have filed VA claims.
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When our soldiers risked their lives in the Gulf, they never imagined that their children might suffer the consequences--or that their country would turn its back on them.
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Polecam też książkę Dr.Helen Caldicott "The New Nuclear Danger". ŚWIETNA RZECZ!
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MIĘDZYNARODOWA KONFERENCJA NA TEMAT ZU:
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I nie mów mi że jakiś research zrobiłeś. Nie ośmieszaj się.
Depleted Uranium:
The Trojan Horse of Nuclear War
LEUREN MORET / World Affairs – The Journal of International Issues 1jul04
Heat not a furnace for your foe so hot that it do singe yourself.
William Shakespeare (1564-1616)
The use of depleted uranium weaponry by the United States, defying all international treaties, will slowly annihilate all species on earth including the human species, and yet this country continues to do so with full knowledge of its destructive potential.
LEUREN MORET
Since 1991, the United States has staged four wars using depleted uranium weaponry, illegal under all international treaties, conventions and agreements, as well as under the US military law. The continued use of this illegal radioactive weaponry, which has already contaminated vast regions with low level radiation and will contaminate other parts of the world over time, is indeed a world affair and an international issue. The deeper purpose is revealed by comparing regions now contaminated with depleted uranium — from Egypt, the Middle East, Central Asia and the northern half of India — to the US geostrategic imperatives described in Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book The Grand Chessboard.
Fig. 1: Brzezinski’s map of the Eurasian Chessboard:
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Za takie szukanie materiałów dostalibyście wszyscy lacza, wielkiego lacza i zostawienie na drugi rok w tej samej klasie. Albo lepiej na dwa lata.
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| Cytat: | Dr. Helen Caldicott is the founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility, and a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize. She has devoted the last 30 years to an international campaign to educate the public about the medical hazards of the nuclear age.
Dr. Caldicott demonstrates conclusively that the notion of nuclear survival is a fantasy, and that nuclear victory is an oxymoron. The evidence she presents stands to alert and mobilize millions of young people, helping them to understand the planetary threat posed by an aggressive weapons industry in a volatile world.
"Dr. Helen Caldicott has the rare ability to combine science with passion, logic with love, and urgency with humour...At the dark dawn of another war without end, it is once again time to listen up as she sounds the global alarm." - Naomi Klein, author of No Logo.
There is no debate. The next thing there will be a war about will be very vicious indeed. Fresh water. Wait and see. I know that I have found land in the Gatineau's. All are welcome. There is 185 foot well which tests pure and clean. All you need is love and peace to drink. And if the Americans want it well, there are tribes of First Nation's people you have to compensate first. Good luck. |
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A TUTAJ POWYŻSZY FILM. GORĄCO POLECAM:
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ku...a i jak ma to sie do orzysza i stosowania ZU?
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Ahoj!! Admin ja zrobiłbym porządek z tym "Świętym Rycerzem" (Holy Knight). On powinien mieć chyba nicka "Nawiedzony Rycerz" (Haunted&Cranky Knight)
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juz mi nerw puszcza ciagle jakies kur...a przykłady z innego świata a nic konkretów.ona chyba jest z GREENPEACE lub cos w tym stylu
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| Cytat: | | ku...a i jak ma to sie do orzysza i stosowania ZU? |
Jeśli jeszcze nie rozumiesz, tłumaczę:
a) bo ja sobie nie życzę, żeby to świństwo było stosowane na tym poligonie, ani na żadnym innym Poligonie w Polsce.
b) dlatego podaje fakty na temat tego arcyniebezpiecznego pierwiastka, bo wy, nie mając żadnych informacji na jego temat, powtarzacie nieprawdę. A jak udowodnione powyżej, jest to pierwiastek roznoszący śmierć.
Do was to chyba tylko z armaty trzeba przemawiać.
c) Jeśli wy pozwolicie na stosowanie tej broni u siebie, to skażecie nas, którzy nie mają na to ochoty, na zagłedę, jak również nasze dzieci.
Jesli was nie obchodzą wasze, to pal je licho, ja tez łez nie będę wylewać.
NATOMIAST JA CHCĘ, ŻEBY MOJE DZIECI ROSŁY TU ZDROWO, JAK TEŻ ICH DZIECI I WNUKI.
Czy jeszcze jakieś pytania?
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OTO DLACZEGO NIE ŻYCZĘ SOBIE, ŻEBY STOSOWANO ZU NA POLIGONIE W ORZYSZU:
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Politicians should ban such weapons immediately.
Subject: [du-list] Interview with the well-known
German radio-biologist Wolfgang Koehnlein
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:09:01 EST
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Translation of an interview by the
German weekly "DIE WOCHE"
from January 19, 2001
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"Ban immediately" - "zabronić natychmiast"
The radio-biologist WOLFGANG KOEHNLEIN criticizes the thoughtless handling of
radar waves and uranium ammunition by military
DIE WOCHE: In the midst of the uproar about the uranium ammunition it now has
also turned out that German sol-diers working at radar screens have been
exposed to enormous health hazards. Due to this fact nearly 100 soldiers were
claimed to have fallen ill between 1970 and 1990. Is there really no
sensitivity at all among military officials concerning radiation exposure?
KOEHNLEIN: In this range much is being covered up because it supposedly
threatens national security. That it has certainly taken so long till this
problem became public is again another scandal on its own.
DIE WOCHE: Why is working at radar screens so dangerous?
KOEHNLEIN: This has not yet been sufficiently examined. Principally radar
waves behave like ray in a microwave oven, where water molecules are brought
into oscillation and thus warmed up. In humans these rays can lead to the
de-generation of cells and to their uncontrolled fission - that means cancer.
DIE WOCHE: Military have appeased again - as they did with uranium containing
ammunition. It is said that there is not any danger coming from it. Is this a
fact?
KOEHNLEIN: I see that differently. I present the opinion that even the least
dose of radiation is not harmless. It in-creases the risk of degenerating or
destroying the respective cells.
DIE WOCHE: Thus it is wrong to talk about limit values?
KOEHNLEIN: The purist would say: The limit is the dose zero. But as we are
living in a natural radiation field our limit is this natural radioactivity -
even this one is not without consequences. Part of cancer diseases can be
traced back to natural radiation impact - probably 3 to 8 per cent of all
spontaneous cancer cases.
DIE WOCHE: But uranium containing ammunition additionally sets radiation free.
KOEHNLEIN: It is true that the uranium isotope U 238 that is contained in
these projectiles radiates much less than let's say plutonium. But it sets
free the biologically highly effective alpha radiation. This gets dangerous
if it gets into the body.
DIE WOCHE: Can these particles only get into the body immediately after the
impact of the ammunition?
KOEHNLEIN: At the impact of uranium projectiles a temperature of several
thousand degrees Centigrade arises. Thereby the uranium atoms transform into
uranium oxides. One has to imagine them like microscopically tiny glass
pellets. They float for a long time in the air and can be carried away by the
wind - many kilometers according to find-ings of a Canadian research group.
DIE WOCHE: What happens if a man breathes these particles in?
KOEHNLEIN: At first the uranium oxides which have got into the lungs will
emit alpha particles. The mast cells will try to eliminate these foreign
bodies and transport them into the lymph nodes from where they can get into
the blood-stream.
DIE WOCHE: Which diseases can be triggered hereby?
KOEHNLEIN: From loss of weight over eye irritation to gastro-intestinal
troubles, blood and lung diseases, kidney diseases, weakness of the immune
system.
DIE WOCHE: And cancer?
KOEHNLEIN: Also cancer. It is true that it is often claimed that no increase
of leukemia can be detected with uranium workers. But this is not true. It is
always the question how and where you research.
DIE WOCHE: Does there still come a danger from the uranium ammunition which
was used in the Balkans for the Bundeswehr soldiers
KOEHNLEIN: In any case it is wrong to say: Absolutely no danger. The risk is
certainly higher. How big it is has still to be researched.
DIE WOCHE: Why are there so different views of scientist in this question?
KOEHNLEIN: There are many scientists who research by order and for account of
governments and military. They cannot always publish what they have found out.
DIE WOCHE: And what if a minister comes up an says: No danger?
DIE WOCHE: Certainly Rudolf Scharping is no radio-biologist, he is advised by
scientists. But he should consult dif-ferent institutions, even those who are
not under certain compulsions.
KOEHNLEIN: Under which compulsion does the Research Center for Environment
and Health (GSF) stand which was charged by the Ministry of Defense?
DIE WOCHE: The GSF is an institution of the Federal Government. In its
principles it gives the gist of: The GFS as an institution of the Federal
Government has the task to support the policy of the Federal Government by
its research. I don not want to say more to this.
KOEHNLEIN: Nato rejected a ban on DU ammunition last week.
DIE WOCHE: That is irresponsible. Politicians should ban such weapons
immediately.
Interview: Johannes Dietrich, Translation Winfried Engl
Wolfgang Koehnlein (67) em. Professor for radio-biology, is vice-chairman of
the Radiation Protection Commission of the Federal Ministry for Environmental
Protection.
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Z powodu zbyt bliskiego położenie waszego miasta w stosunku do mojego, nie zgadzam się na stosowanie tego świństwa, a wam, krzykacze, próbuję to tylko wytłumaczyć.
Wasze oczy i umysły są, niestety, szeroko zamknięte.
Otworzycie je jak już będzie za późno, i to kosztem następnych pokoleń.
Przyznajcie się lepiej, że po prostu nie znacie angielskiego. Bo gdybyście znali ne zadawalibyście głupich pytań, tylko poczytali. Orzysz to nie jakies odrębne księstwo z księżyca, a wy żadni książęta.
Zresztą zu to zbyt ważna sprawa, zeby zostawić ją kilku krzykaczom z jakiegoś forum.
Bez przesady :/
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wez skoncz bo juz mnie naprawde wku...sz.jakie ZU???? to nie Zimna Wojna zeby cos takiego w ogóle posiadac nie mówiac juz o ich stosowaniu.myslisz ze wojsko polskie tego uzywa? czemu chłopaki w wojsku ani po nie skarża sie na żadne dolegliwosci? myslisz ze wosjko mogłoby narazac siebie na takie coś? kosztem czego?wiesz co by powiedziala opinia publiczna i caly swiat na takie cos? zejdz na ziemie i nie przytaczaj tu jakis popie...onych stron zachodnich bo i tak wiekszosc ludzi i ich nawet nie otwiera nie mówiac o czytaniu.po katastrofie w czarnobylu skażone zostało ok 25% terytorium Polski-nie było to szczególne zagrożenie ale naukowcy takowe stwierdzili-czemu nie pokazesz takich fotek polskich dzieci po katastrofie w czarnobylu tylko przytaczasz tu jakis Irak itp?dlaczego? bo takie w polsce sie nie rodzily.i nie pie...ol jakims ZU i o poligonie w orzyszu i ze sobie czegos nie życzysz-ty akurat jedynie mozesz sobie pisac takie głupoty jak tu.pologon-mimo swojego zastosowania to raj dla grzybiarzy ,jagodziaży itd od wielu ,wielu lat. nie słyszłem przypadków zatrucia sie ludzi po zjedzeniu czegos z naszego poligonu itd.zreszta nie chce mi sie na ten temat juz gadac.a jak Ci nie pasuje Orzysz to wyjedz gdzie indziej i nie marudz.tylko gdzie indziej mógłby Ci przeszkadzac dym z kotłowni lub cos w tym stylu
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do Holy Knight:
jak na razie największym krzykaczem na tym forum jesteś Ty...
nie wiem dlaczego tak na mnie naskoczyłeś/łaś - przeczytaj tekst ze zrozumieniem - a dopiero później wyciągaj wnioski.
jedno jest pewne- nie będe (przynajmniej ja) z Toba polemizował odnośnie Twoich zarzutów wobec mnie na tym niskim poziomie pełnym wyzwisk, obelg i z chmur wzietego szyderstwa.
a do tematu powtarzam tylko tyle: nie ma jak na razie żadnych dowodów na to, że DU stosowany był na poligonie orzyskim (przynajmniej nikt tutaj nie przytoczył takiego...) - więc dlatego krzyki, nawoływania i całe to zamieszanie jest trochę nie na miejscu.
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